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4: Marvin Olasky

The Secular Script in the Theater of God

Calvin on the Christian Meaning of Public Life
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MichaelATerry "We declare what has been accomplished, not what we would like to be accomplished." - Wilson #dgnc #fb September 26, 11:50 am RT Reply
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BarnabasPiper Judging by the demographics of this conference, New Calvinists are less interested in Calvin than in those he's influenced. #dgnc September 26, 11:41 am RT Reply
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apaasch19 learning about #socialcalvinism at #DGNC September 26, 11:37 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 @softlysoaring @sindersetawa @apaasch19 tweet this and talk about my new tag #socialcalvinism #DGNC September 26, 11:35 am RT Reply
cassie4cincy #dgnc wish we were there!! September 26, 11:35 am RT Reply
justinmannhardt Thought from session 4: To Calvin, the best way to assist the poor was not to give goods but to develop business and offer employment. #DGNC September 26, 11:33 am RT Reply
KevinB73 RT @abrahampiper: Poverty doesn't make people holy; it may make holiness harder. -Paraphrase of Calvin via Olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:32 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 Christian civil servants are to be protectors and vindicators of modern innocence. #DGNC #socialcalvinism September 26, 11:32 am RT Reply
stevekmccoy Wish my wife and I could could have attended the Desiring God National Conference this year. It's always a great time. #dgnc September 26, 11:31 am RT Reply
christopherdrew RT @mheerema: "Social Calvinism..." (protestant work ethic) "...was the American way until Social Darwinism [took over]." - Olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:31 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 He respected different cultures have laws &customs that respect history &experience of that culture. Holla urban min! #DGNC #socialcalvinism September 26, 11:30 am RT Reply
abrahampiper Tweetin' & Eatin' #dgnc September 26, 11:29 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 RT @apaasch19: A stimulating theater stages a variety of dramas. Some are deep tragedies, others are incredible expressions of joy. #DGNC September 26, 11:27 am RT Reply
nathannewman #DGNC as Paul tells the Corinthians "Be imitators of me as I am an imitator of Christ." We also can imitate Calvin who points us to Christ. September 26, 11:27 am RT Reply
bfordham RT @abrahampiper: Doug Wilson's dad's advice to preachers: "When you run out of things to say, go on to the next verse." #dgnc September 26, 11:26 am RT Reply
ScottJIsAOk We tend to repeat what others say -Marvin Olasky #dgnc ;-) September 26, 11:26 am RT Reply
apaasch19 A stimulating theater stages a variety of dramas. Some are deep tragedies, others are incredible expressions of joy. #DGNC September 26, 11:26 am RT Reply
brent_thomas RT @mheerema "Forced compassion leads to resentment." #dgnc #fb September 26, 11:25 am RT Reply
mheerema "Social change does not result from legislation but from changed hearts." (i.e., Calvin went too far here...) #DGNC September 26, 11:25 am RT Reply
Fat_Tony930 Lesson from Calvin: change in conscience cannot simply be legislated. We want laws against abortion but hearts need to be changed too. #DGNC September 26, 11:25 am RT Reply
mattheltzel RT @softlysoaring: social change does not result from legislation but from changed hearts. #DGNC - aaaaamen!!! September 26, 11:24 am RT Reply
NoelPiper Compassionate alternatives make a difference in the abortion rate. Olasky. #dgnc September 26, 11:24 am RT Reply
epjohnson "As Christians, we need to focus more on consciences than on laws" -- Olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:23 am RT Reply
MCOlson11 Compassion needs to out of changed hearts not legislation- Marvin Olasky #DGNC September 26, 11:23 am RT Reply
NationsBeGlad Traveling internationally? Help us distribute God centered resources to the nations. Come to the IO Booth during the next break #DGNC September 26, 11:23 am RT Reply
meyta Attempts to force compassion fosters resentment M.O. #dgnc September 26, 11:23 am RT Reply
MichaelATerry I'm excited to hear Wilson's message from #dgnc. The highlights are fantastic, so far. September 26, 11:23 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 RT@ softlysoaring: social change does not result from legislation but from changed hearts. #DGNC September 26, 11:22 am RT Reply
mheerema "Forced compassion leads to resentment." #dgnc September 26, 11:22 am RT Reply
mturbanic New vocabulary word of the day- "lugubrious" - Thanks Marvin! #DGNC September 26, 11:22 am RT Reply
jstutzman Calvin desired an economic ecosystem that would allow the affluent help the poor refugees by giving them the opportunity to work. #dgnc September 26, 11:22 am RT Reply
Bloom_Jon "If God did nothing random, there must always be something to learn." Olasky on Calvin's view of the world as God's theater. #dgnc September 26, 11:22 am RT Reply
NationsBeGlad RT @wewalsh: http://twitpic.com/j7m0m - Malcom & his friend will be taking 3 cases of 50 Reasons to Kenya in December. #dgnc September 26, 11:21 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 RT @apaasch19: We are in the theater of God. Be aware of what is going on around you. God's glory is on display. #DGNC September 26, 11:19 am RT Reply
abrahampiper RT @MarcHeinrich: Marvin Olasky - assassins for hire not on God's list of approved vocation #DGNC // picky, picky September 26, 11:19 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 Calvin as creator of modern french sentence structure? #DGNC #socialcalvinism September 26, 11:18 am RT Reply
apaasch19 We are in the theater of God. Be aware of what is going on around you. God's glory is on display. #DGNC September 26, 11:18 am RT Reply
cazureblue #dgnc Olasky: social calvinism has given way to social darwinism September 26, 11:17 am RT Reply
epjohnson Calvin encouraged others to "Pay attention...there's always something to learn" to the sacred beauty in all of life #dgnc September 26, 11:17 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 RT @softlysoaring: calvin had a social gospel soapbox, as it turns out. #DGNC #socialcalvinism September 26, 11:17 am RT Reply
abrahampiper Olasky writes about the value of social Calvinism in "The Tragedy of American Compassion" http://twurl.nl/2j8fhq #DGNC September 26, 11:16 am RT Reply
brianchandotcom Social Calvinism vs. Social Darwinism at #DGNC by Marvin Olasky September 26, 11:15 am RT Reply
mheerema "Social Calvinism..." (protestant work ethic) "...was the American way until Social Darwinism [took over]." - Olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:15 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 All honest labour, not just church work is good. Intrigued w the concept of social calvinism #DGNC #socialcalvinism September 26, 11:15 am RT Reply
ScottJIsAOk RT @epjohnson: Jobs, not alms, is the best way to address poverty - Calvin #dgnc September 26, 11:15 am RT Reply
MarcHeinrich Marvin Olasky - assasins for hire not on God's list of approved vocation #DGNC September 26, 11:14 am RT Reply
MCOlson11 Sounds like John Calvin was the first capitalist. #DGNC September 26, 11:14 am RT Reply
meyta God creates men respects-marvin olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:13 am RT Reply
Fat_Tony930 Olasky: Elder brothers breed younger brothers. #DGNC September 26, 11:12 am RT Reply
abrahampiper Poverty doesn't make people holy; it may make holiness harder. -Paraphrase of Calvin via Olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:12 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 Poverty does not make people godly. #DGNC September 26, 11:12 am RT Reply
jstutzman Relating to world aid.. Trade not Aid - respect humans enough to let them work and help them work instead of condescending charity. #dgnc September 26, 11:12 am RT Reply
epjohnson Jobs, not alms, is the best way to address poverty - Calvin #dgnc September 26, 11:11 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 Helping the impoverished means starting a business and give work, not alms. #DGNC September 26, 11:11 am RT Reply
ronsurgeon RT @nicklaparra: The Bible doesn't take tests, it gives the tests. It does not adhere to the standard, it sets the standard. - Wilson #DGNC September 26, 11:08 am RT Reply
jstutzman Dr. Marvin Olasky giving some good insights from Calvin concerning business to the glory of God. #dgnc September 26, 11:07 am RT Reply
matthewdgreen RT @abrahampiper: If you're argued into Christ, you can be argued out. If you're *converted* nothing can separate you. -Doug Wilson #dgnc September 26, 11:07 am RT Reply
mtmoulton Our employment is all to be done to the Glory of God. Work to provide for family and Christian service in the world... #DGNC September 26, 11:05 am RT Reply
bryanlewis RT @jstutzman: Removal of work throws human life into ruin #dgnc September 26, 11:04 am RT Reply
epjohnson "any removal of work throws human life into ruin." -- Olasky, quoting Calvin // love his high view of work #dgnc September 26, 11:04 am RT Reply
thesettingsun07 The way to get closer to God is to do what we are called to do. -marvin olasky #DGNC September 26, 11:03 am RT Reply
jstutzman Removal of work throws human life into ruin #dgnc September 26, 11:02 am RT Reply
marilynkj Marvin Olasky - "The real way to get closer to God is to do what God has created us to do." #dgnc September 26, 11:02 am RT Reply
mmdewalt Listening to Marvin Olasky at #DGNC. September 26, 11:01 am RT Reply
mheerema "The real way to get closer to God is to what God made us to do." - Calvin quoted by Olasky #dgnc September 26, 11:01 am RT Reply
cazureblue #dgnc Calvin: scripture is guide for ideal law: impacted US formation September 26, 10:59 am RT Reply
mheerema The Bible doesn't take tests, it gives the tests. Does not adhere to the standard, it sets the standard. - Wilson #DGNC (via @nicklaparra) September 26, 10:58 am RT Reply
abrahampiper 21 Books that Marvin Olasky has written, co-written, or edited. http://twurl.nl/ymw43d #DGNC September 26, 10:57 am RT Reply
kennicon Marvin Olasky [on Christians and Gov't]: "obeying the law means obeying God, not necessarily the state." #DGNC September 26, 10:56 am RT Reply
Fat_Tony930 State rule by law, no taxation w/o representation, election of leaders, checks and balances - radical ideas in 16th century of Calvin. #DGNC September 26, 10:56 am RT Reply
AirWood RT @desiringgod: The Bible doesn't take tests, it gives the tests. It does not adhere to the standard, it sets the standard. - Wilson #DGNC September 26, 10:55 am RT Reply
cotigchez The Bible doesn't take tests, it gives the tests. It does not adhere to the standard, it sets the standard. - Wilson #DGNC RT @nicklaparra September 26, 10:53 am RT Reply
Fat_Tony930 Olasky talking about Calvin's radical views of the Christian's role in public life... #DGNC September 26, 10:53 am RT Reply
jerrybrown Marvin Olasky, speaking at Desiring God conference, on Calvin and the public square. #dgnc http://yfrog.com/0pgfgij September 26, 10:47 am RT Reply
NationsBeGlad RT @wewalsh: http://twitpic.com/j7m0m - Malcom & his friend will be taking 3 cases of 50 Reasons to Kenya in December. #DGNC September 26, 10:46 am RT Reply
joelburdeaux Audio: Douglas Wilson’s message at the Desiring God National Conference #DGNC http://tumblr.com/xdc39l7i3 September 26, 10:42 am RT Reply
johnblythe Calvin's world was logo-centric. Everything was seen and warmed by the light and rays of the sun of the word. -Doug Wilson #DGNC September 26, 10:40 am RT Reply
idotf http://twitpic.com/j7myg - Marvin Olasky at #dgnc speaking on Calvin's view of public life September 26, 10:40 am RT Reply
paulmlawrence Just bought about $100 worth of books. And I ain't done yet! #DGNC #fb September 26, 10:39 am RT Reply
sterry99 RT @BenTerry: After much debate, conquered being shy and spoke with @johnpiper which was such a blessing! #DGNC http://pic.gd/7a318c September 26, 10:38 am RT Reply
abrahampiper Listen to Doug Wilson's message or read the notes. http://twurl.nl/6smwwn #DGNC September 26, 10:34 am RT Reply
aaronmayfield "when you're concerned that Biblical fidelity in your preaching may be a career wrecker, you're closer to the truth than you realize" #dgnc September 26, 10:34 am RT Reply
darrenkwalsh RT @ChristianPost: Evangelicals Urged to Heed Calvin's Voice http://bit.ly/LudFB // #DGNC September 26, 10:33 am RT Reply
aaronmayfield Wilson on Scripture: "the Bible is not that which meets the standard, the Bible is that which sets the standard." #dgnc September 26, 10:33 am RT Reply
tpfleg #DGNC- Our view of scripture drives our view of preaching, and our preaching drives the world.-Wilson September 26, 10:32 am RT Reply
shalomjt just met @johnpiper and made @benterry take our picture. So I took a picture of the picture to tell you tweeps #dgnc http://pic.gd/0379c3 September 26, 10:32 am RT Reply
pricechris Rt @abrahampiper Doug Wilson's dad's advice to preachers: "When you run out of things to say, go on to the next verse." #dgnc September 26, 10:32 am RT Reply
Statius RT @Pastoralmusings: RT @NoelPiper: Re power of scripture. Bible open in pulpit is a lit stick of dynamite. Wilson. #dgnc // that'll preach! September 26, 10:32 am RT Reply
aaronmayfield Douglas Wilson on preaching: "when you run out of things to say, go on to the next verse." #dgnc September 26, 10:30 am RT Reply
samhaist RT @desiringgod: Calvin didn't want to produce Calvinists, he wanted to produce biblical Christians. -Julius Kim #DGNC September 26, 10:30 am RT Reply

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Sep 26
12:18 pm

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Sep 26
12:12 pm

Read or listen to Marvin Olasky's message.

Sep 26
11:32 am

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Sep 26
11:29 am

Olasky: Calvin advocated a different understanding of government, politics, business, and economics.

Today, surrounded by a media cacophony we often repeat what we hear. But this country would be better if we paused to think about what is written: what is written in the Bible, what is written in our founding documents, and what is written by men who loved the Bible like Calvin.

Sep 26
11:28 am

Marvin Olasky

Sep 26
11:26 am

Olasky: Calvin had weaknesses that grew out of his strengths.

For example, Calvin could not stomach grand parties and rich clothes amidst poverty. He wanted people to spend more money on opening businesses rather than buying fancy clothes.

I think, however, that Calvin went too far on this point. He regulated compassion, which has the effect of causing resentment. We must aim at changing the consciences of the people more than at making laws.

Sep 26
11:19 am

Olasky: Calvin instructed all his followers to pay attention to the events around them.

The theater was not the monastery or the church building. The theater was all around.

Jesus told his disciples, "Look at the birds of the air."

Sep 26
11:16 am

Olasky: All honest labor, not just church work, is good. Self-flagellation is bad. We don't need to make life harder than it is.

Hard work is good. Interest-bearing loans that help people start businesses are good.

We should help the poor learn a trade. We should not aid people who are physically able but unwilling to work.

Sep 26
11:11 am

Olasky: Christians throughout Medieval times had heard that disciplines such as penance and self-flagellation were the way to get closer to God.

Calvin wrote that God didn't require this. He asked, "Why substitute unproductive and unnecessary hard practice for productive hard practice?" Why force men to perform unnecessary disciplines when God had called them to do hard things in their everyday lives?

In a commentary on Deuteronomy 24, Calvin wrote, "Any removal of work throws human life into ruin." Many people today retire while they are still healthy and realize the truthfulness of Calvin's quote.

Sep 26
11:08 am

Olasky: Calvin emphasized that all honest labor glorifies God. People who are engaged in ordinary life are not ordinary. Work itself is not part of the curse. No work done to God is secular.

Sep 26
11:05 am

Olasky: Work in politics and law can sometimes glorify God. Monarchies can, and probably will be, ungodly. With republics there is plenty of sin to go around as well, but they are probably going to be better.

Sep 26
11:03 am

Many Christians throughout Medieval times had learned that they shouldn't go to court at any time. The weak seldom had any redress against the powerful. Calvin wrote against this, as well as against authorities who used their positions to gain wealth or do as they pleased.

Many Christians in that time thought they shouldn't vote for their leaders. Calvin wrote otherwise after studying Deuteronomy and seeing that "Moses awaited the consent of the people and that nothing was attempted that was not pleasing to them all."

Many Christians thought it was unbiblical to rebel against those who presumably ruled by divine right. But Calvin wrote that magistrates "must not wink at kings who violently fall upon and assault a lowly folk."

Sep 26
10:54 am

Olasky: Many Christians throughout Medieval times had learned that working in a monestary was the best kind of work in the world.

But Calvin wrote, "No one ought to doubt that civil authority is a calling, not only holy and lawful before God, but also the most sacred, and by far the most honorable of all callings in the whole life of mortal men."

It's thinking like that that led many of the founders of the American Republic to enter politics.

Sep 26
10:52 am

Marvin Olasky: I grew up in a kind of dutyism that emphasized focusing on customs. I became an atheist and participated in anti-war demonstrations at the time. I cared about the poor in an abstract way.

I joined the Communist Party and learned Russian to communicate with my Russian big brothers. I eventually ran across a Russian New Testament.

What struck me as a writer was how Jesus resisted Satan's temptations in Matthew 4 by turning to what was written.

Sep 26
10:36 am

You can now listen to Doug Wilson's message or read the notes from the session.